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but why did we sh why did we stop prohibition? did alcohol change from moral to immoral? it's okay. relax. >> it's time, it's time. >> relax. >> that will do it. that's tourre. i'm dylan. "hardball" is up right now. blaming obama, again. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. leading off tonight, republicans say building a mosque is the same as burning a koran. well, we all remember how the bush administration conflated 9/11 and iraq to gain support for the war they always wanted to fight against saddam hussein. this time between burning korans and building an islamic center two grounds from sooer roechlt it's their way saying president obama is as wrong as the florida
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pastor was about burning korans. we've heard it before. and just this week john boehner, sarah palin, and today newt gingrich joined the team, republicans exploiting our fears again. that's our top story tonight. plus, if you watched "hardball" last night, you know the whole affair involving the florida pastor who is or isn't going to burn korans tomorrow has become a never ending saga. this afternoon pastor terry jones insisted, he's convinced, why, we don't know, that he's going to meet tomorrow with the new york imam in charge of the planned islamic center near ground zero and work out a deal. that's what he says. that's what he hopes. we'll have the latest in a moment. also another battle opened in the war against don't ask, don't tell. a federal judge says it violates the constitutional rights of gays and she'll issue an order to halt the policy. what happens now? how did we get from 9/11 being a politics free zone to becoming a
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talking point for republicans to exploit? the truth is over. conservatives are winning it. let me end with my own thoughts on how obama plans to diffuse the plan and how his opponents refused to join in common cause even on this. let's start with republicans complaining the burning of the koran with the building of the mosque two blocks from ground zero. newsweek's howard fineman, also a msnbc political analyst. when you read through the statements mentioned by the three people i'll mention, gingrich, reid and palin, it surprise me. each one refuses to take sides with the president against the preacher. they could have said this time the president is right. the guy on the other side is dead wrong. instead they played games. here's newt gingrich today on abc. let's listen. >> it's wrong to burn the koran. it's wrong to build the mosque at ground zero. both should be stopped. i'm glad to see the pastor took
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a big step back. i wish him and ralph would have the same courage to america and take an equal step back and build the mosque somewhere else in new york. >> here's john boehner complaining the core burning and the islaming center near ground zero. >> to pastor jones and those who want to build the mosque, just because you have a right to do something in america does not mean it is the right thing to do. >> here is sarah palin on her facebook page. people have a constitutional right to burn a koran if they want to, but doing so is insensitive and an unnecessary provocation, much like building a mosque at ground zero. howard, that preacher down there, whatever we think of him and what we think of the quality of his mind, never mentioned the mosque. never came up, ever, ever, ever until the three stooges of
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america said they were going to make this an issue. they did it successfully to the point where he got the message. and his congregation began singing from the same prayer book. >> i talked to a top adviser about what their goal was for the press conference today. i went to the press conference. it was to deal with the economy and deal as this guy said, with stray cats and dogs. this is not a stray cat and dog. the republicans are turning into a lion and tiger. >> why are they turning it to the mosque? >> that issue continues, and the numbers quite frankly just the raw numbers on that, for in new york and elsewhere are good. so they're going to drive it, and obama is living in a different world. from the one they're living. >> the world they're living in establishes in their minds a moral equivalence between an obviously controversial decision to build an islamic center somewhere near the world trade center. there's no controversy about the burning of a koran.
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it's indisputably aimed at causing trouble. >> i'm an analyst, not an editorial writer. but this is an outrageous comparison. it's outrageous on moral grounds. >> let's me go to mark, the politics of this, see it through. where are they going with this? they're incriminating the president by putting him on the same moral stage as the preacher down there. it seems like they're playing pretty nasty here. it's at least heart ball. i think it's a little tougher. >> i'm not sure which i would prefer, if they believe there's a moral equivalency there or they don't and they're using it for political purposes. either way, whichever it is, it's not just bad domestic politics for the president, and it is for a variety of reasons including it takes him off the economy and divides the democrats on a range of issues. but i almost resist talking about this as a political issue. this is a national security crisis. both of these issues are.
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you have general petraeus getting involved in that domestic matter of the first amendment issue shows the extraordinary extent to which people in the military are -- men and women overseas think this is a big deal. and to have it to be brought into domestic politics and inflamed by republicans, again, out of principle, maybe, out of political purposes maybe, whatever the reason is really a national and international tragedy. and unfortunately the president, for a variety of reasons, is too weak on his own to deal with it. >> i think you're right. howard? >> well, sitting in the press conference today with president obama, you can almost hear the classical music in the background. i don't mean to be facetious. >> no, i get you. >> it was a stately thing and a mature discussion. you can agree or disagree. >> he's so -- look how he comes in there presenting himself elegantly. expressing himself on a high level tone against this menagerie that's biting at his heels. >> that's what i'm saying. those people you cited, boehner
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and gingrich and palin are not playing the same ball game they are. >> i shopt call them the three stooges. they're smarter than that, stooges are the people who buy their act. let's take a look at the president. he's trying to regain the high ground. here he is talking about pastor terry jones. let's listen. >> this may be one individual in florida, part of my concern is to make sure we don't start having a whole bunch of folks all across the country think this is the way to get attention. this is a way of endangering our troops. i hardly think we're the one who ballooned this story. in the age of this internet it's something that can cause profound damage around the world. this isn't a philosophical argument. the terrorists are not paid regular salaries.
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they're not put into uniform. they're people that are either recruited or volunteer. and they volunteer out of a desire either to kill themselves in their holy cause, or to kill lots of other people in a holy cause, or both. they're driven by a belief that our side is evil and anti-islamic and out to destroy the faith they're born with. is there any easier thing to do that to say we're going to prevent them from building a holy center. and by the way, we're going to burn their holy book. >> it's about that. it's also about going after barack obama. let's not kid ourselves as to what newt and sarah and john are doing. there's polling out there that says people are a little unsure of who barack obama is and where he comes for. >> especially republicans. >> especially republicans. barack obama at the press conference today was kind of forced to go out of his way a little bit to talk about his christian faith. >> isn't that awful that he has to say this is my religion? >> that's the situation. they know it. >> you're so smart to bring this up.
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this is so rare in american politics to have to come out and say here's my religious faith. i have to put it out here as a shield against those denying i have it. here's the president today on his faith. let's listen. >> as somebody who, you know, relies heavily on my christian faith in my job, i understand, you know, that the passions that religious faith can raise. but i'm also respectful that people of different faiths can practice their religion, even if they don't subscribe to the exact same notions that i do. >> you know, mark, the sad thing is, i know the president went in there as we were all professionals, he went in with certain words he wanted to punch out like tax cuts. the sad thing is he may have well been more admonished by his people, you better remind
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everybody of your religion. you shouldn't have to brandish your religion in self-defense. >> if that was an ad lib i would be shocked. a few weeks ago athought moving the islamic center bad for america. then i evolved to the view, whatever the resolve, it needed to be managed by the president. now it should move and has to move. which is unfortunate. >> explain that view. i'm a little bit surprised by that. >> i just think that there's too much opposition to it, and the feelings are too raw. and frankly, i think most of all, the people who are in charge of building it are not handling themselves well enough to build it the right way, to build it in a show of unity, rather than a show of division. >> do you have a sense when you're walking past that it's going to be a big object of the news tomorrow on nightly and other programs or over the weekend. when you walk by and look at that building, does it seem like it's facing the world trade center?
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>> i jog down there all the time. that's where i end my runs. it's really close. when people say it's two blocks, it's steps away. it's just too raw. i'm fine if it's built there, if it's built the right way. i have no confidence that the president and the mayor and the city and the country can come together and build the right way. i just want to say one thing about the politics. if this were a cold war issue and there was a democratic president vulnerable on the national security issues of the type implicated here and politicians are saying these things, we would have no doubt they were doing it on purpose. they were doing purely to discombobulate the president and undermine his image. i would like to give those three the benefit of the doubt. but you saw what the president had to do today, as howard and you pointed out. he had to brandish his christian faith. that shows the extent to which he's discombobulated. >> not only that, today the president moved slightly back in the direction of saying they should build it.
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>> they pushed him into that. >> he is. he tacked back a little bit by saying if you could build a church -- >> a conservative blog put that out today. he took the strongest position so far. >> if you can build a church there, a synagogue there, a h hindu temple there. he doesn't like to be pushed on these kinds of things on the one hand. on a one hand he does the christian rift. on the other hand, he says they should be able to build it there. >> mk, respond to this. we have a little time here. here is the president on the mosque. a lot of people didn't hear this yet today. let's listen. >> with respect to the mosque in new york. i think i've been pretty clear on my position here. and that is that this country stands for the proposition that all men and women are created equal. that they have certain rights. one of those rights is to
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practice their religion freely. what that means is that in you could build a church on a site, you could build a synagogue on a site, if you can build a hindu temple on a site, then you should be able to build a mosque on the site. >> way too strong, mark? >> way too weak. if he was my professor at the university of chicago, my law professor, i would say i love that teacher. he's really eloquent. that's not what needed by the president of the united states. this is now an international issue. and if that's his strongest position, i still don't know what he actually thinks should be done. what i do know is it cannot be invol solved without his leadership. and leadership is not taking a theoretical position, which is what he's still doing. >> i worry about what will happen internationally if we do move it. who knows. what a hot subject.
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we thought this had a lid on it today. out does not. this weekend it's coming. howard fineman, thank you, sir. when we return the latest on pastor terry jones. he says, well, he says he won't burn the koran, but for some reason he still is claiming he has a meeting in new york this weekend. what happens when he comes to the real estate there is no meeting. we don't know how reality hits this guy. you're watching "hardball" on msnbc. hey, did you ever finish last month's invoices? sadly, no. oh. but i did pick up your dry cleaning and had your shoes shined. well, i made you a reservation at the sushi place around the corner. well, in that case, i better get back to these invoices... which i'll do right after making your favorite pancakes. you know what? i'm going to tidy up your side of the office. i can't hear you because i'm also making you a smoothie. [ male announcer ] marriott hotels & resorts knows it's better for xerox to automate their global invoice process so they can focus on serving their customers. with xerox, you're ready for real business.
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welcome back to "hardball." it looks like the koran burning for tomorrow is off. steve is pastor of the heart song church down in memphis. when a new islamic center came to his town, pastor stone put up a sign that said heartsong church welcomes memphis islamic scepter to the neighborhood. also is brent walker of the baptist joint committee. should i call you both reverend?
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i think i should. reverend, what do you think is the way americans should work, reverend stone, at this situation in new york right now? >> the situation in new york? you know, the situation in new york to me is whether or not somebody is going to hurt somebody's feelings, which is important. the situation in florida is about whether or not someone was going to get killed. >> yeah. because the burning of koran would be so outrageous to some people. >> oh, definitely. you know, the jesus i know and love gave us two whole commandments. they're both about love. the other is about loving your neighbor. >> let's go to brent walker. what do you think about these two issues? put them together. some politicians as we mentioned have done that. >> they are related. both involve fundamental first amendment rights. the freedom of speech and the freedom of religion.
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but the effect of them are each is going to be completely different. they're apples and oranges when it comes to the effect of the two. they are related in this sense. i building the mosque in manhattan would be a monument to religious liberty that we treasure in the country, to the plush plurlism that we have. far from being a detriment, i think it would be a monument to the goodness of america in part to counter the notion abroad we are all like reverend jones. 99.99% of the american people think he's crazy, and we need to get that message out. what better way to do it than to embrace the mosque in lower manhattan. >> how do we deal with people of faith and people not of faith in this country?
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if you have a deep faith in your christianity, you may elevate yourself that, so confident in your faith and the righteousness of your beliefs you can account for other people having if not the true faith, a faith. and you respect a faith. you don't say it's the right one. but you say that person is being led in that direction by some decision or up bringing, and i'll respect it, even though i don't have faith in that faith. no, if you give any kind of koun tans to other religions, you're denying your own. how do you square that at the pulpit? >> well, what we teach at heartsong is the way we follow jesus is not a religion in itself. religion is rules and regulations. but we respect everybody's faith. we deal with people as human being
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beings. >> i'm told some people call them fundamentalists, evangelicals believe so strongly in their christianity that they believe islam is wrong, it's even evil because it's a wrong faith. and it should be, if not denied, maybe more than denied, it should be rerepressed. >> to me, i don't have the right to judge a heart of another human being. the people across the street from us in memphis tell us they worship the one true god. i don't have a right to judge that. i can't look inside their heart and see what's they're going. i take it at face value. >> it doesn't water my down the validity of my faith and my belief to concede to somebody else their faith as they see fit. as long as they don't impose it on me. you need to recognize the fundamental christian virtue of humility. we often forget that. pastor jones is ignoring that principle.
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seems to me he's following bad theology, bad churchmanship, and bad citizenship. >> let me offer you something i think you gentlemen can agree with. people came to this country to get away from religious intolerance, to get away from years of european wars. you had things going on both sides. property tants being repressed catholics in some cases. it was the same kind of thing. we said enough of that, we're coming over here. why are we getting the crusading mentality brought to america? both in new york and florida. isn't this a recurrence of something we all hoped in our religious hearts we were all getting away with. and in many cases generations ago. >> yes, i think so. and you know, i have a friend in the islamic community, ali. he and i were talking on the phone. he says it hurts me so much for
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people to look at me and think i'm un-american. he said i came to america because i love the freedom here. i could not worship in my faith as i wanted to where i lived. >> well, okay, thank you, gentlemen. thank you, reverend stone. it's great to have two men with deep belief and tolerance. up next, a little comic relief coming up here. hope it doesn't hurt the man involved to see himself on television because he's been all over it today. comes in a liquid gel. zyrtec® liquid gels work fast, so i can love the air®. but with advair, i'm breathing better. so now, i can join the fun and games with my grandchildren. great news! for people with copd, including chronic bronchitis, emphysema, or both, advair helps significantly improve lung function.
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back to "hardball." now to the side show. first, old school tie. guess who pastor terry jones had for a classmate in his missouri high school. rush limbaugh.
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both class of '69. there they are as young guys. fascinating. next, some jokes never get old. arnold schwarzenegger posted this photo on twitter. over anchorage, alaska, overlooking everywhere, but can't see russia from here. palin responded late today with this tweet, arnold should have landed. i could explained our multibillion dollar state surplus and u.s. energy security efforts. wow, kind of dry. moving to the midwest. perhaps the wildest political speech you will ever watch on television. it happened wednesday night in the county ohio republicans. phil davidson didn't get the nomination. you don't see many stump speeches like his. here it is. >> my name is phil davidson, and i am seeking our party's nomination for the position of treasurer. i have been a republican in
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times good. and i have been a republican in times bad. albert einstein issued one of my most favorite quotes in the history of the spoken word. and it is as follows. in the middle of opportunity -- excuse me. in the middle of difficulty lies opportunity. i'm going to repeat that so i have clarity tonight. in the middle of difficulty lies opportunity. if nominated tonight i will win this election, and i'm going to say that again so there's no miscommunication tonight. if nominated tonight i win. >> take jim cramer, me, and multiply it by a thousand and you get phil davidson. he pointed out he holds a master's degree in guess what, communications. finally tea party christine o'donnell is hoping upset former governor mike castle during next week senate's primary. they claim that o'donnell has
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coordinated her campaign activity with an outside group. in this case the tea party express, which is against the law. catch o'donnell's reaction yesterday. >> you know, these are the type of cheap, underhanded, unmanly tactics that we've come to expect from obama's favorite republican, mike castle. you know, i released a statement today saying mike, this is not a bake-off, get your man pants on. >> she may have gotten tips from sarah palin who called certain critical reporters impotent and limp. yesterday sarah palin endorsed a big sur prize. brings us tonight's big number. what does sarah palin's endorsement record look like? she's backed 15 winners and 11 losers. sch makes for a winning percentage of 58%. good percentage in baseball, actually. tonight's big number. up next, in another big victory for gay rights, a federal judge
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i'm jane wells with your cnbc market wrap. the dow climbing 47 points. the s&p advancing five and the nasdaq tacking on six. the rally rolls on, but we've been looking at unusually light volume this week. a lot of investors are staying on the sidelines. in today's economic news, whole sale inventory soared to the highest level in two years in july. it's a bullish sign that businesses are expecting demand to pick up in the months ahead, but maybe not so much. chip makers took a hit today in
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weak outlooks. energy stocks, however, soared despite low gas prices because oil spiked after anchorage sent a leaking pipeline from canada to the midwest will remain shut down. as nokia goes after the apple iphone, shares rose on word they're replacing their ceo with a new hire from microsoft. that's it from cnbc, first in business worldwide. now back to "hardball." >> welcome back to "hardball." late thursday night a federal judge in california ruled the military's don't ask, don't tell policy is unconstitutional. the judge said the policy hurts recruitment, and doesn't help military readiness. it's the latest development in a much larger fight to end this 17-year-old policy. we're joined by the group's executive director.
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art clyde cooper and aubrey --. it seems like the wins keep coming your way. >> that's a good thing. >> tell me about this case and what you were up against. what was the argument this would cause with moral and more conservative members? they want to feel comfortable with gay soldiers alongside them. what happened to that argument in court? >> well, it is an old argument. you have the lower base of the personnel period. the younger soldiers, sailors and marines don't care. >> are you getting poll day the that? >> we are get iting. >> don't the marines hate this? >> the marines as a whole? that's not fair. >> i'm asking. i provoke. >> sure. but you can't castigate an entire service branch based on this. there is difference of opinion across the board. however, the polling data does show inside the service branches
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and externally within the general public -- >> okay, you're being honest with me. so where's the problem? what is the resentment in the services that can get to the courts? >> the issue isn't resentment. there's a weak case made by the department of justice, which was saying our case lacked standing, because there was no harm to any cabinet republicans. >> there's tons of service members. we're republicans. >> why don't you have standing then? >> we do have standing. that's why we won the case. >> oh, i see. >> the standing we had is we had members, service member who is were discharged under this statute. that blew that out of the water. >> so how does the case look like right now? because you're the plaintiffs. it goes to the ninth circuit, right? >> right. >> is the government going to fight this or wait for the review by the commission looking at it on the pentagon? >> well, i'm not going to speak on behalf of the obama
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administration. but i would gander they're probably going to try to appeal it. hopefully not. >> let me go to aubrey. knowing their facing a review themselves and probably on the road to getting rid of don't ask, why would they fight this? >> well, like clark, i'm not going to second guess what the justice department is going to do. however, i think in all likelihood they'll appeal. back to your earlier question. big shoutout to clark and the law cob bin republicans and also to service members united. the judge found not only did they have standing, but she rejected the arguments with respect to military readiness, unit cohesion. she not only found no basis for the argument. she also said the don't ask, don't tell statute was an overly broad infringement upon the first amendment rights of
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service members. straight service members, he or she can talk about their sexual orientation. under don't ask, don't tell, a gay or lesbian cannot talk about it. >> so a guy can go back to the dorm or barracks and said i had a great weekend with mary. a guy guy can't say i came back with john. >> you not do that because you're speaking to your sexual orientation. that is a violation of don't ask, don't tell. if you speak to your sexual orientation. >> even if you don't say i'm gay. >> anything. if you speak to your sexual orientation, you are likely to be discharged under don't ask, don't tell. why this decision is welcome, don't ask, don't tell is still the law. and service members are still at risk. cannot tell you what the justice department is going to do.
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i can tell you this. this month, next week, the gnat is coming back to washington. there's a bill on the senate calendar that would repeal don't ask, don't tell. as you know, chris, it's extraordinary for a congress to go without authorizing the defense spending for the department of defense. >> explain to me why sh should come up? >> this passes every congress, irrespective of whether democrats or republicans control the congress or control the white house. that bill is about far more than don't ask, don't tell. don't ask, don't tell is part of the bill. don't ask, don't tell was originated 17 years ago in the senate armed services committee. past the congress. >> where is colin powell right now? >> he is -- >> he's against the don't ask, don't tell policy. he's on record as that.
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>> so what has changed. usually our debates over abortion rights are back and forth. >> the american people have changed on this issue. 17 years ago when this law was enacted, only about half of the american people supported open service. today by all professional polls, nearly 80% of americans -- >> what happened? >> because the younger generation, which clark referred to earlier, this is not a big deal for them. >> that's true among serving people as well in the military? >> obviously it is. where did they come from? they came from the civilian sector. whether it's in the courts or on capitol hill, the house passed the bill. >> you're doing good work, guys. thank you, gentlemen.
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i can only imagine that the continuing pain and anguish and sense of loss that they may go through. and tomorrow we as americans are going to be joining them in prayer. and remembrance. >> we're back. that was president obama today at the prez conference talking about the anniversary of 9/11 tomorrow. some people will be engaged in much more than prayer and remembrance. opponents and spoupporters of t islamic center are using tomorrow's date to stage big rallies near the site. tea partyers plan to gather in washington. sarah palin and glenn beck are in alaska at an event that costs $225 to attend. and newt beginning rich is premiering a new documentary. our conservatives trying to define and own september 11th? msnbc's political analyst david weigel wrote about this in slate. and david corn is the washington
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bureau chief for mother jones. tell me how it's being used. this seems like it's part of the script of the republican party after eight years of nonpartisan zip and high regard for the national reverence toward 9/11 and what happened there. it's now become a turf for fighting on. >> well, this isn't entirely new, when george bush was president, and david probably remembers this, he would use the days around the 9/11 anniversary and make a few statements about foreign policy. in 2002 it was about iraq. in later years when republicans were in trouble, it was going to intelligence centers. and republicans were not quiet about the fact this would remind people how they needed to keep george bush's party in power. republicans have always been confident about this. liberals have not been confident about it i think when liberals, when this country elected a president like barack obama, who, you know, when he ran for senate, people joked he would never get elected because of his
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last name, they thought the country had moved on a bit from the hyperpartisan ship around 9/11. it just hasn't happened. republicans are back to what they were doing before. >> david corn. >> in 2004, too, i think it was 2004, they found a powerpoint presentation about how the republicans could exploit 9/11 for their electoral purposes. it does seem that the further we get away from it, the less sacred so to speak it's become politically. so you get to what is kind of sa sorry spectacle of glenn beck and sarah palin holding an event in anchorage where they're charging people to come. they want to have an event and mark 9/11 whatever way they think possible, that's fine. but charging to do this. and you have on 9/11, you mentioned some tea partyers rallying, and the anti-government groups. they're rallying, you know, just blocks away from the pentagon on the same day that the that
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the -- that the pentagon, you know was attacked. and the u.s. capitol, the white house was targeted as well. >> here's sarah palin's facebook. i hope my fellow alaskans and anyone visiting from outside will join me this saturday. glenn beck will be there. you won't want to miss it. tickets are available at you can count on glenn to make the night interesting and inspiring and i can think of no better way to commemorate 9/11 than to gath gather with patriots who will never forget. i just always wonder, 9/11 was used to sell the iraq war and country music in all kinds of ways.remember how you felt. everything to try to get people jacked up for some kind of payback if their anthrax didn't work, they tried using 9/11 and i think effectively so to sell that war even though iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. what is the long-term goal of those who exploit the horror of 9/11? >> well, i talked to some
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conservative 9/11 family members and some conservative activists protesting the mosque. they feel like if they don't do anything, in liberal medial narrative makes us forget 9/11 and become a more tolerant i guess is the word they use with more pejoratively than the rest of us use it. we become a tolerant weak country. >> what do they want us to be intolerant toward? how broad do they want intolerance to reign? do they will know there's a billion islamic people in the world? every time you make an anti-islamic move whether it's about burning their holy book or denying them the right to build a center, they will see that obviously as an insult. do they know there's a billion islamic people on this planet who have nothing to do with arab issues? >> they have trouble threading that needle. newt gingrich was speaking at ralph reed's event in washington. he was saying we need to talk about radical islam. it's a problem this administration refuses to talk
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about radical islam. that's one of the things that weakens us. >> they have no shame. >> here's newt. >> they're not in government right now. here's newt gingrich's new documentary from america at risk it's called featuring images of the world trade center attacks. listen to this. it's part of it. let's lis. >> and many of our elites are afraid to even identify our adversaries by name. >> what we used to call the war on terror we are clearly losing. >> despite our successes and sacrifices, lives lost and billions spent, the war on terror and the ideology behind it have only just begun. >> this war will go on and until the whole of the world em braces islam. >> newt is excellent at fishing in troubled waters, david corn. i've watched him for years.
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if there's horror out there, he's there to catch it. >> it's interesting. about a year and a half ago i wrote a piece for mother jones where he seemed to be taking a different tact. he was all about post partisan and working with the president. and attacking republicans who are coming on too strong on peripheral issues. he has put his finger in the wind, maybe he's thinking about 2012 which seems ridiculous to me and he's airing this movie which says basically there can be only one resolution which is either defeating islam or being defeated by islam which sends the wrong message to muslims in america but i think to the billion muslims around the world. we can't draw hard and fast lines without isolating ourselves which is a point obama made today. if we're going to defeat osama bin laden and the small band of terrorists, you've got to get the rest of the islamic world on your side. otherwise, we're doomed to fail. >> david wigal, how soon will the right wing pull back from
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their trouble making when something breaks bad on this and return to their ramparts if people start getting killed over this stuff? >> i know what you mean. you saw it a little bit. no one got killed over this koran burning that probably is not going to happen, might happen. >> didn't somebody just get killed up in iraq over this? >> i'm saying this this country there hasn't been a lot of violence. they use that to say look, we're not that bad, we're not actually bashing all islam. we're going to go out on a limb and say it's a bad idea to burn the koran. they find ways to wedge against the really bad stuff that's not really that convincing. >> have a nice weekend. when we return what, game has john boehner, sarah palin and newt gingrich been playing trying to establish a moralquiv lens between what pastor terry jones did and what the president is supporting, the right of somebody to build an islamic center two weeks from ground zero? you're watching "hardball" only on msnbc.
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let me finish tonight with the bad turn the news took this week. until early thursday, neither pastor jones nor his associate pastor s&p mentioned the proposed islamic center in southern moin in their plan to burn the core pranz other people had ambitions for this saga. john boehner was not seen as speaker for this country when he placed the burning of a koran on the same moral level of building
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of the center two blocks from the site of the world trade center in new york. former governor palin said people have a constitutional right to burn a koran if they want to as if that would be something any good person would want to do. a good person could want to build an islamic center. these politicians had done what the pastors had not, paired together the building of a religious center with the desecration of a religious book. on thursday, pastor jones did what they did, tied together the threat to burn korans with the plans to build the center. he said if they agreed to move the center, he would scotch his plans to burn the korans. he was simply doing what hel heard a pair of politicians do, play it cute. instead of condemning the threat to burn the korans, they seized the on the opportunity to equate a simmering dispute over a religious site in new york to an action endangering troops and adding to problems worldwide. the question is why they couldn't simply condemn that guy who
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